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jamesdriggs 19 ( +1 | -1 )
Smothered mates Just thought I mimght start a thread about smotherd mates or other good mating patterns. See my second game against ukfeds. I know it is easy to get out of, but he didn't see it.
jstack 29 ( +1 | -1 )
smothered mates I remember playing blitz one night. I played several games with the same opponent. Almost every game I won with the white pieces ended with a queen sac smothered mate combination. It was a very bizare experience for me. I rarely get to deliver such a tactic.
blackbaron 13 ( +1 | -1 )
tell us the combination so that we can all use it please jstack thanks
jamesdriggs 58 ( +1 | -1 )
Traceable back to Lucena in 1496, credit for popularizing this mating pattern goes to the eighteenth-century chess genius Philidor, and it is known as Philidor's Legacy.
below are a few sites about smothered mates
-> chess.about.com
-> www.chessgames.com
-> www.chessville.com
jstack 29 ( +1 | -1 )
smothered mate Imagine your opponent is castled. His king is on h8. Your queen owns the diagonal leading to g8. Your opponents f7 square is not protected. Your opponent's rook is on e8.
1) Nf7+ Kg8
2.) Ng6 double check Kh8
3) Qg8+ RxQ
4) Nf7 mate
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I wrote this without the use of a board. Hopefully I did not make any mistakes and it all makes sense.
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spurtus 48 ( +1 | -1 )
Smothered mates are always with a knight right?...

I'm always on the look out for them in my games, but usually I find they cant be setup very easily... I think you need a multitude of threats going on to force the castled king NOT to take a saced piece, but instead for the castled rook to trap in the king.

It would interesting for me if anybody knows what prerequisites you normally need to know that there might be a smothered mate on the go.

Spurtrus.
ccmcacollister 238 ( +1 | -1 )
Prerequisites ?! Interesting, I never thought of it that way before but I guess there are some required circumstances. (It would be very cute to see a king surrounded & then skewered for mate by a B or regicidal pawn, thru only a tiny diagonal opening ... but I believe it must be a knight to be a proper "smothered mate", as you said spurtus. Pretty sure of that too, tho wouldnt bet a life on it...)
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1)The mating side must have a knight, or promote to one, to deliver the fatal check
2)The target king must have all flight squares blocked; thus surrounded by pieces of either side aor edge of the board.
3)There cannot be a piece that can capture on the square from which the N will deliver the coup de grace.
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And I think that's about it, assuming the side mating meets the laws of Chess; not leaving themself in Check, etc.
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So in the ultimate sense, there need be only a Knight and King on the mating side. The other side must then have at least 3 men left if his K is in a corner. But in a practical sense there are usually helpful pieces involved. Such as the Queen in the
Philidor's Legacy {BTW Thanks jamesdriggs for teaching me the name of that, in
your post. } Or there may be a Rook or Queen or even Bishop pinning a piece so that it cannot capture the Knight when it checks. Such as in this common trap in the Caro Kann:
1.e4 c6 2.d4 d5 3.Nc3 dxe4 4.Nxe4 Nd7 5.Qe2!? Ngf6??? 6.Nd6 MATE -or-
1.e4 c6 2.Nc3 d5 3.Nf3 dxe4 4.Nxe4 Nd7 5.Qe2!? Ngf6??? 6.Nd6 MATE
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Whites Qe2 there IS trappy, but does also play out fairly well if BL plays 5...Ndf6 which is commonly considered correct play. Better than Ngf6 anyway, huh?! :) I've actaully nailed 2 players with the trap tho. Believe an "A" & "B" Class, in OTB tournaments. An Expert avoided it, but WT got a good game anyway.
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}8-)
What about this, tho .... Suppose I have BLACK with a King on d8, Qc2 & Nd2 and WHITE has his King on a1. He also has a pawn somewhere like h4 just so no stalemate can occur. Now BL plays 1 ... Nb3+ MATE. Can this properly be considered a smothered mate ?! Since a Knight delivers the check, and all egress is forbidden by the Queen ?
I don't know. I'm thinking it's not. But someone wise to this Please fill me in ! So I can sleep at night again ~! This kinda stuff Bugs me.

doctor_knight 79 ( +1 | -1 )
there is one smothered mate that combines with a decoy to make a beautiful setup as far as I'm concerned, though I don't know how often it will occur in a real game.

Black King is on H8, he has two pawns blocking him at H7 and G7. His rook is at F8

The white Queen is attacking the G8 square from E6 with a bishop backing her up on the same diagonal and the white knight is at E5

Now if only that black rook weren't protecting the F7 square and were instead blocking the black king in at G8. Then white could simply move in with his knight to F7 for mate.

Well, Qg8+ does the trick. Black must take the queen with his rook which loses to Nf7#

This is the way I learned smothered mate. Most people have probably seen it in the books before, but it is a cool checkmate.
ccmcacollister 66 ( +1 | -1 )
The Oxford Companion to Chess by Hooper & Whyld that I've got on library loan is Definately one of the 10 Books you'd want to have with you if stranded on a deserted island~! It will be a very interesting week & hope to share some of it in more Forum threads. Right now, I've found it answers the Question of what is a smothered mate. Basically :
A MATE made by a knight, to a king that is surrounded by its own men; or more liberally defined, by pieces of either color.
jstack , how unusual that your opponent didnt Learn to "see it coming" ! Hmmm
A Philidors Legacy being about 4-5 move levels deep; Do you suppose . . .
Oh, surely not . . . !? }8-)
jstack 42 ( +1 | -1 )
ccmcacollister Maybe my opponent can blame his losses on the fast time control? We were playing 3 minutes per side. The funny thing about it though, the first time I did it to him it should not have worked. He could have taken my queen with his king instead of the rook...where he would simply be up a whole queen. lol Maybe I can use the 3 minute excuse? lol The second time I was more careful and the mate was forced.
ccmcacollister 101 ( +1 | -1 )
Had one tonight ! . jstack Aha! Sounds like maybe he noticed that KXQ in the first and was gunning for you with the second , huh ?! :)
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I had one in blitz tonight that I almost missed, being a bit different. According to my own definition, and the Oxford Companion definition it was made from; this is NOT a smothered mate (??!) since the K is not "surrounded" by pieces. Yet the N gives the check and covers the one flight square at the same time. Seems to me like it should be one and the definition revised perhaps? Suppose? Went like this.
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1.e4 d6 2.d4 e6!? a bit passive 3.Bd3!? a bit commital ...Nc6 4.Be3 Nb4? giving up tempo by moving the same piece twice, & later again.
5.c4 threatening Q+ then d5 to win the N. Also putting pawns on white since he'll doubtless take the Bd3.
5... Nxd3 6.Qxd3 c6 7.Nc3 d5? allowing center opening against WT's development is
a mistake. It Was getting cramped for him tho. But now WT can open lines to attack whenever it suits him.
8.Nge2 b6 9.cxd5 cxd5 10.exd5 exd5 11.Nf4 h6? (DEVELOP, my friend!)
12.o-o g5 13.Nfxd5 Nge7 ?? 14.Nf6 ++#
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So his Ke8 was surrounded by his Qd8,Bf8,Ne7,pf7 but the Nf6 covers d7 while mating.
}8-)

soikins 123 ( +1 | -1 )
Smothered mate Yeah, been there, done that. I remember one smothered mate I got some couple years ago in a 3 minute blitz game:

[Event "www.KasparovChess.com rated blitz game"]
[Site "www.KasparovChess.com"]
[Date "2002.07.17"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Soikins"]
[Black "lohs"]
[Result "0-1"]
[ECO "E16"]
[WhiteElo "1582"]
[BlackElo "1662"]
[FEN 6k1/5p1p/1q2p1p1/3p1n2/6n1/4PNP1/1P3PBP/1RR3K1 b - - 0 29]

For those who don't know what FEN is:
White: Kg1, Rb1 and c1, Bg1, Nf3, p b2, e3, f3, g3, h2
Black: Kg8, Qb6, Nf5, Ng4, p d6, e6, f7, g6, h7
White to move


I think this example ilustrates something. Now I wouln'd play something like 29. e3?? and not because I would "see" the mate, but because the move is simply wrong. I wouldn't think over position for a second, my hand would play Rf1 because it is the right move. This is what pattern recognition gives you, you simply "feel" that there is a danger around the f2 square and you defend it. You don't need to calculate the 6 move combination, you just know that it probably is somewhere out there.

29. e3?? (29. Rf1 with an edge for white) 29... Nfxe3! a great shot that I missed 30. fxe3 allows mate in 5. I saw that, but it would be just stupid from me to play something else, because then black's win is a matter of technique, but now it is a beauty 30... Qxe3+ 31. Kh1 Nf2+ 32. Kg1 Nh3+ 33. Kh1 Qg1+!! 34. Nxg1 Nf2# 0-1
soikins 18 ( +1 | -1 )
correction Sorry, I posted the position after the 29 move, not before it. It should actually be:

6k1/5p1p/1q2p1p1/3p1n2/6n1/5NP1/1P2PPBP/1RR3K1 w - - 0 29

White: Kg1, Rb1 and c1, Bg1, Nf3, p b2, e2, f3, g3, h2
Black: Kg8, Qb6, Nf5, Ng4, p d6, e6, f7, g6, h7
White to move
rose-quarz 9 ( +1 | -1 )
A Smothered Mate I found this game on an online games database.
WT: Taylor BL: Cody 1980
1. c4 g5 2. d4 Bg7 3. e3 h6 4. Ne2 e5 5. e4 f5
6. d5 f4 7. Bd2 Na6 8. a3 Nc5 9. b4 Nd3#
cedsed 11 ( +1 | -1 )
A Memorable Game Against a beginner I once executed a smothered mate with thirty-two pieces on the board.

Justin
giuco_piano_guy 13 ( +1 | -1 )
Fun fun fun Against a beginner i once captured both his knoghts when he incorrectly declared smothered mate...in the same game!
bananaman1 10 ( +1 | -1 )
I have had two smothered mates in my life, both against the same person. They
are quite fun.